What does "becoming fully independent" mean? Can one ever become fully independent?
Is it a desideratum?
"The mother-child relationship is paradoxical and, in a sense, tragic. It requires the most intense love on the mother's side, yet this very love must help the child grow away from the mother, and to become fully independent."
“Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want.”
“Maybe that’s enlightenment enough: to know that there is no final resting place of the mind; no moment of smug clarity. Perhaps wisdom...is realizing how small I am, and unwise, and how far I have yet to go.”
The reality is that you will grieve forever. You will not 'get over' the loss of a loved one, you will learn to live with it. You will heal and you will rebuild yourself around the loss you have suffered. You will be whole again, but you will never be the same. Nor should you be the same, nor would you want to.
~ Elizabeth Kubler-Ross & John Kessler Artwork by Toshiyuki Enoki
You must go in quest of yourself, and you will find yourself again only in the simple and forgotten things. Why not go into the forest for a time, literally? Sometimes a tree tells you more than can be read in books.
Everyone alive has suffered. It is the wisdom gained from our wounds and from our own experiences of suffering that makes us able to heal. Becoming expert has turned out to be less important than remembering and trusting the wholeness in myself and everyone else. Expertise cures, but wounded people can best be healed by other wounded people. Only other wounded people can understand what is needed, for the healing of suffering is compassion, not expertise.
"Aion/Time is a child playing, like a child playing a board game - the kingdom is of the child. This is Telesphorus, who roams through the dark regions and glows like a star out of the depths. He points the way to the gates of the sun and the land of dreams."
C. G. Jung
The stone carving Jung did of Telesphorus on his 75th Birthday.
"The white man had invented glasses which made objects too near or too far, cameras, telescopes, spyglasses, objects which put glass between living and vision. It was the image he sought to possess, not the texture, the living warmth, the human closeness."
“But even there in the infantile neurosis, where the defense out of real anxiety [that means: fear of the outside world], analytic therapy has a very good chance of success. The simplest and most unanalytic is the analyst's attempt, after undoing the defense process in the child itself, to influence reality, namely the child's educators, in such a way that there is less real anxiety.”
*~ Anna Freud *
Source: Anna Freud: Das Ich und die Abwehrmechanismen. Fischer Taschenbuchverlag, 19. Auflage, Frankfurt am Main 2006, S. 69.
Photo: Sigmund and Anna Freud in the Dolomites in 1913
For this photo (taken from an installation by artist Cees Krijnen) a well-known Spanish magazine was suggested to be given a title by its commenters, and I can say that almost all the comments were quite funny. Observing the artist's excellent concept, I noticed that the woman who jumps the phallus-es is deliberately colored by the artist in the same color as them. And it reminded me of something from Lacan's Ecrits: Men are positioned as men insofar as they are seen to HAVE the phallus. Women, not having the phallus, are seen to "BE" the phallus. The symbolic phallus is the concept of being the ultimate man, and having this is compared to having the divine gift of God.
Precisely as described by Jung's famlous dream/vision asa boy when he descended into the cave and saw the phallus with the single eye stood upon a throne. A life changing event perhaps; almst as much as the dream he had where the large "turd" dropped upon the roof of the cathedral.
Recognizing the work of Dr. Otto Kernberg M.D. - 'The text presents expositions and critiques of the theories of Melanie Klein, W.R.D. Fairbairn and Edith Jacobson, and correlates the authors own work with that of Margaret Mahler. The theory of object relations can be applied to both psychoanalytic technique and psychoanalytic psychotherapy - and to narcissism, both normal and pathological, in middle age. An entire section of this book is devoted to group phenomena, expanding on the classical psychoanalytic theory of group psychology and demonstrating the effects of regressive processes to be found in various kinds of groups. Essentially the work places special emphasis on the temptations and dangers to individual members of groups and to their leaders, temptations and dangers resulting from the activation of regressive processes. The final section of the book brings together concepts of object relations and group processes to examine the complicated interactions within a couple and between couples and groups. In this context, the author offers an original psychoanalytic formulation of love and its psychopathology.'
Otto Friedmann Kernberg is an Austrian-born American psychoanalyst and professor of psychiatry at Weill Cornell Medicine. He is most widely known for his psychoanalytic theories on borderline personality organization and narcissistic pathology. Wikipedia
In 1936 Freud was invited to write something for French author Romain Rolland’s 70th birthday by their mutual acquaintance, Victor Wittkowski. He initially refused - but eight days later composed an open letter titled 'A Disturbance of Memory on the Acropolis'. The essay reflected on a strange incident of disbelief and astonishment he had experienced during his only visit to Greece more than thirty years before. Our new exhibition, 'Tracing Freud on the Acropolis', opening in July, brings together objects, archives and anecdotes exploring Freud's journey to Greece and his encounter with the Acropolis.
From 1895, Freud travelled to Italy nearly every summer in the company of his younger brother Alexander. In 1904, they travelled to Athens for the first and only time. Our exhibition, Tracing Freud on the Acropolis, explores Freud’s journey to Greece.
Nobody can fall so low unless he has a great depth. If such a thing can happen to a man, it challenges his best and highest on the other side; that is to say, this depth corresponds to a potential height, and the blackest darkness to a hidden light.
He looked at his own Soul with a telescope. What seemed all irregular, he saw and showed to be beautiful constellations, and he added to the consciousness hidden worlds within worlds.
-- Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Notebooks.
(This is also aptly quoted in the prologue to Jung's autobiography "Memories, Dreams and Reflections."
The spirit of the depths teaches me that I am a servant, in fact the servant of a child. This dictum was repugnant to me and I hated it. But I had to recognize and accept that my soul is a child.
The unconscious always tries to produce an impossible situation in order to force the individual to bring out his very best. Otherwise one stops short of one's best, one is not complete, one does not realize oneself. What is needed is an impossible situation where one has to renounce one's own will and one's own wit and do nothing but wait and trust to the impersonal power of growth and development.
“My language is German. My culture, my attainments are German. I considered myself German intellectually, until I noticed the growth of anti-Semitic prejudice in Germany and German-Austria. Since that time, I consider myself no longer a German. I prefer to call myself a Jew.”
"Civilized man...is in danger of losing all contact with the world of instinct -- a danger that is still further increased by his living an urban existence in what seems to be a purely man-made environment. This loss of instinct is largely responsible for the pathological condition of contemporary culture."
"The figure of the wise old man can appear so plastically, not only in dreams but also in visionary meditation (or what we call “active imagination”), that, as is sometimes apparently the case in India, it takes over the role of a guru. The wise old man appears in dreams in the guise of a magician, doctor, priest, teacher, professor, grandfather, or any other person possessing authority.
The archetype of spirit in the shape of a man, hobgoblin, or animal always appears in a situation where insight, understanding, good advice, determination, planning, etc., are needed but cannot be mustered on one’s own resources. The archetype compensates this state of spiritual deficiency by contents designed to fill the gap." Archetypes of the Collective Unconscious Paragraph 388
Life isn’t handed to us like an opera libretto: It is an adventure into which we must throw ourselves. Failures cannot hold us back if we have fire in our hearts. We must allow ourselves to encounter life and God.
Pope Francis, Hope: The Autobiography
The rose he is holding is named "Pope John Paul II".
“The first half of life is devoted to forming a healthy ego, the second half is going inward and letting go of it.”
C. G. Jung
Art: "Maria"- Carl Strathmann
“Life really does begin at forty. Up until then, you are just doing research.”
"The first half of life is devoted to forming a healthy ego, the second half is going inward and letting go of it."
The time is a critical one, for it marks the beginning of the second half of life, when a metanoia, a mental transformation, not infrequently occurs.
(on being 36 yrs old) Carl Gustav Jung, Symbols of Transformation (Collected Works 5)
"Younger people, who have not yet reached the middle of life (around the age of 35), can bear even the total loss of the anima without injury. The important thing at this stage is for a man to be a man. The growing youth must be able to free himself from the anima fascination of his mother." (p. 71)
"After the middle of life, however, permanent loss of the anima means a diminution of vitality, of flexibility, and of human kindness. The result, as a rule, is premature rigidity, crustiness, stereotypy, fanatical one-sidedness, obstinacy, pedantry, or else resignation, weariness, sloppiness, irresponsibility, and finally a childish ramollissement with a tendency to alcohol." (p. 71)
The distance from the heart to the head is sometimes 30 years, sometimes a whole lifetime : "We say, “You know it in the head, but you don’t know it in the heart.” There is an extraordinary distance from the head to the heart, a distance of ten, twenty, thirty years, or a whole lifetime."
The celebrations of Carl Gustav Jung’s 150th birthday (happening all over the world this year) echo the lasting power of his ideas and perhaps the growing need for his psychology. Jung was one of the most fearless, original, and irreverent thinkers of the past two centuries. His psychology boldly challenges the dominant scientific and reductionist view of life by reintroducing the notions of soul and mystery into our understanding of the human experience. In a world increasingly shaped by materialism and hyper-technology, Jungian psychology stands as a small but steadfast island—a place of refuge for the curious, the contemplative, and for those called to deeper meaning.
Nada Jung
"Being a madman doesn't mean you hear a thousand voices in your head... being a madman means living a life without being a slave to the modern world."
*~ Charles Bukowski *
May 14, 2022
Carmen Elsa Irarragorri-Wyland
I love that quote, Nada, and the image, as well, LOL!
May 14, 2022
Nada Jung
What does "becoming fully independent" mean? Can one ever become fully independent?
Is it a desideratum?
"The mother-child relationship is paradoxical and, in a sense, tragic. It requires the most intense love on the mother's side, yet this very love must help the child grow away from the mother, and to become fully independent."
Erich Fromm
May 15, 2022
Eva Libre
“Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want.”
~ Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
May 15, 2022
Carmen Elsa Irarragorri-Wyland
Pessimistic, but unfortunately, truthful!
May 15, 2022
Luna Arjuna
“Maybe that’s enlightenment enough: to know that there is no final resting place of the mind; no moment of smug clarity. Perhaps wisdom...is realizing how small I am, and unwise, and how far I have yet to go.”
~ Anthony Bourdain
May 21, 2022
Carmen Elsa Irarragorri-Wyland
Now, this one is very optimistic, why concern us with those things that we do not even know about, yet?
May 23, 2022
Eva Libre
"The word 'listen' contains the same letters as the word 'silent'."
Alfred Brendel
May 26, 2022
Carmen Elsa Irarragorri-Wyland
Thus, we must listen to the silent promptings of our own Souls!
May 26, 2022
Luna Arjuna
"It is not a sign of mental health to be
adjusted to a deeply disturbed society."
~ Jiddu Krishnamurti
May 30, 2022
Carmen Elsa Irarragorri-Wyland
He was so right!
May 30, 2022
Eva Libre
The reality is that you will grieve forever. You will not 'get over' the loss of a loved one, you will learn to live with it. You will heal and you will rebuild yourself around the loss you have suffered. You will be whole again, but you will never be the same. Nor should you be the same, nor would you want to.
~ Elizabeth Kubler-Ross & John Kessler
Artwork by Toshiyuki Enoki
Jun 4, 2022
Carmen Elsa Irarragorri-Wyland
So beautiful and so true!
Jun 5, 2022
Christopher Golightly
A remarakble links to enormous summary of Carl Jung's work and quotations, from Mr. Purrington:
https://carljungdepthpsychologysite.blog/2022/06/03/carl-jung-maste...
Jun 5, 2022
Carmen Elsa Irarragorri-Wyland
Thanks a lot Christopher, a remarkable thing, for sure!
Jun 8, 2022
Eva Libre
"Human happiness is an
attitude of the mind,
not a condition of
circumstances."
~ John Locke
Photo: Tina Turner in Paris
Aug 11, 2022
Carmen Elsa Irarragorri-Wyland
INDEED!
Aug 17, 2022
Eva Libre
You must go in quest of yourself, and you will find yourself again only in the simple and forgotten things. Why not go into the forest for a time, literally? Sometimes a tree tells you more than can be read in books.
~ C. G. Jung
Art by Ruth Evans
Sep 13, 2022
Eva Libre
Everyone alive has suffered. It is the wisdom gained from our wounds and from our own experiences of suffering that makes us able to heal. Becoming expert has turned out to be less important than remembering and trusting the wholeness in myself and everyone else. Expertise cures, but wounded people can best be healed by other wounded people. Only other wounded people can understand what is needed, for the healing of suffering is compassion, not expertise.
~ Rachel Naomi Remen
[Artwork by Odilon Redon]
Nov 14, 2022
Eva Libre
"Thinking is difficult, that's why most people judge."
- C.G. Jung
Nov 24, 2022
Luna Arjuna
Nov 27, 2022
Luna Arjuna
"Aion/Time is a child playing, like a child playing a board game - the kingdom is of the child. This is Telesphorus, who roams through the dark regions and glows like a star out of the depths. He points the way to the gates of the sun and the land of dreams."
C. G. Jung
The stone carving Jung did of Telesphorus on his 75th Birthday.
Dec 2, 2022
Luna Arjuna
"Give me back my broken night
my mirrored room, my secret life
it's lonely here,
there's no one left to torture
Give me absolute control
over every living soul
And lie beside me, baby,
that's an order! ..."
~ Leonard Cohen
Dec 6, 2022
Luna Arjuna
Happy New Year Dear Friends
Dec 31, 2022
Luna Arjuna
Currently in Sigmund Freuds house in Vienna,
The waiting room
Jan 15, 2023
Luna Arjuna
"The white man had invented glasses which made objects too near or too far, cameras, telescopes, spyglasses, objects which put glass between living and vision. It was the image he sought to possess, not the texture, the living warmth, the human closeness."
Anaïs Nin, Seduction Of The Minotaur
Jan 21, 2023
Luna Arjuna
“But even there in the infantile neurosis, where the defense out of real anxiety [that means: fear of the outside world], analytic therapy has a very good chance of success. The simplest and most unanalytic is the analyst's attempt, after undoing the defense process in the child itself, to influence reality, namely the child's educators, in such a way that there is less real anxiety.”
*~ Anna Freud *
Source: Anna Freud: Das Ich und die Abwehrmechanismen. Fischer Taschenbuchverlag, 19. Auflage, Frankfurt am Main 2006, S. 69.
Photo: Sigmund and Anna Freud in the Dolomites in 1913
Jan 25, 2023
Luna Arjuna
For this photo (taken from an installation by artist Cees Krijnen) a well-known Spanish magazine was suggested to be given a title by its commenters, and I can say that almost all the comments were quite funny. Observing the artist's excellent concept, I noticed that the woman who jumps the phallus-es is deliberately colored by the artist in the same color as them. And it reminded me of something from Lacan's Ecrits: Men are positioned as men insofar as they are seen to HAVE the phallus. Women, not having the phallus, are seen to "BE" the phallus. The symbolic phallus is the concept of being the ultimate man, and having this is compared to having the divine gift of God.
So I think that's The title!
Feb 13, 2023
Christopher Golightly
Precisely as described by Jung's famlous dream/vision asa boy when he descended into the cave and saw the phallus with the single eye stood upon a throne. A life changing event perhaps; almst as much as the dream he had where the large "turd" dropped upon the roof of the cathedral.
Feb 14, 2023
Eva Libre
Recognizing the work of Dr. Otto Kernberg M.D. - 'The text presents expositions and critiques of the theories of Melanie Klein, W.R.D. Fairbairn and Edith Jacobson, and correlates the authors own work with that of Margaret Mahler. The theory of object relations can be applied to both psychoanalytic technique and psychoanalytic psychotherapy - and to narcissism, both normal and pathological, in middle age. An entire section of this book is devoted to group phenomena, expanding on the classical psychoanalytic theory of group psychology and demonstrating the effects of regressive processes to be found in various kinds of groups. Essentially the work places special emphasis on the temptations and dangers to individual members of groups and to their leaders, temptations and dangers resulting from the activation of regressive processes. The final section of the book brings together concepts of object relations and group processes to examine the complicated interactions within a couple and between couples and groups. In this context, the author offers an original psychoanalytic formulation of love and its psychopathology.'
Book review - https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/000306518403200312
Bio -
Otto Friedmann Kernberg is an Austrian-born American psychoanalyst and professor of psychiatry at Weill Cornell Medicine. He is most widely known for his psychoanalytic theories on borderline personality organization and narcissistic pathology. Wikipedia
Born: 1928 (age 94 years
May 18, 2023
Luna Arjuna
In 1936 Freud was invited to write something for French author Romain Rolland’s 70th birthday by their mutual acquaintance, Victor Wittkowski. He initially refused - but eight days later composed an open letter titled 'A Disturbance of Memory on the Acropolis'. The essay reflected on a strange incident of disbelief and astonishment he had experienced during his only visit to Greece more than thirty years before. Our new exhibition, 'Tracing Freud on the Acropolis', opening in July, brings together objects, archives and anecdotes exploring Freud's journey to Greece and his encounter with the Acropolis.
https://www.freud.org.uk/exhibitions/tracing-freud-on-the-acropolis...
Jun 17, 2023
Luna Arjuna
Freud Museum London
From 1895, Freud travelled to Italy nearly every summer in the company of his younger brother Alexander. In 1904, they travelled to Athens for the first and only time. Our exhibition, Tracing Freud on the Acropolis, explores Freud’s journey to Greece.
https://ow.ly/pRPR50PqI4H
Aug 5, 2023
Eva Libre
"Couples Therapy" , by Grace Weston
Aug 14, 2023
Eva Libre
Real liberation comes not from glossing over or repressing painful states of feeling, but only from experiencing them to their full.
~ C.G. Jung
Art by George Fredrick Watts c.1864 "choosing" artist's wife Dame Ellen Terry
Jan 2, 2024
Luna Arjuna
Nobody can fall so low unless he has a great depth. If such a thing can happen to a man, it challenges his best and highest on the other side; that is to say, this depth corresponds to a potential height, and the blackest darkness to a hidden light.
— C. G. Jung
Jan 21, 2024
Eva Libre
He looked at his own Soul with a telescope. What seemed all irregular, he saw and showed to be beautiful constellations, and he added to the consciousness hidden worlds within worlds.
-- Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Notebooks.
(This is also aptly quoted in the prologue to Jung's autobiography "Memories, Dreams and Reflections."
Photography Hans Schnaps
Jan 22, 2024
Carmen Elsa Irarragorri-Wyland
INDEED, AND THAT IS THE WAY WE ALL NEED TO LOOK AT OUR SUBCONSCIOUS, THERE IS SO MUCH TO LEARN THERE!
THIS WAY, WE CAN FOLLOW OUR OWN PATH!
Jan 22, 2024
Luna Arjuna
The spirit of the depths teaches me that I am a servant, in fact the servant of a child. This dictum was repugnant to me and I hated it. But I had to recognize and accept that my soul is a child.
~ C.G. Jung - "The Red Book"
Painting: Felice Casorati
May 15, 2024
Luna Arjuna
“But we must not forget that only a very few people are artists in life; that the art of life is the most distinguished and rarest of all the arts.
C.G.Jung - Collected Works Vol 7
Aug 24, 2024
Luna Arjuna
The unconscious always tries to produce an impossible situation in order to force the individual to bring out his very best. Otherwise one stops short of one's best, one is not complete, one does not realize oneself. What is needed is an impossible situation where one has to renounce one's own will and one's own wit and do nothing but wait and trust to the impersonal power of growth and development.
C.G. Jung
Photo: Hulton Archive
Sep 5, 2024
Luna Arjuna
Sigmund Freud with his sons Ernst and Martin who served in the Austro-Hungarian Army in WWI. (c. 1914).
Nov 17, 2024
Luna Arjuna
“My language is German. My culture, my attainments are German. I considered myself German intellectually, until I noticed the growth of anti-Semitic prejudice in Germany and German-Austria. Since that time, I consider myself no longer a German. I prefer to call myself a Jew.”
~ Sigmund Freud
Interview, (1926)
Dec 6, 2024
Luna Arjuna
"Civilized man...is in danger of losing all contact with the world of instinct -- a danger that is still further increased by his living an urban existence in what seems to be a purely man-made environment. This loss of instinct is largely responsible for the pathological condition of contemporary culture."
~ C.G. Jung
Jan 17
Carmen Elsa Irarragorri-Wyland
So true, unless we awaken to that reality and change our course, which I believe it is happening, even as I write this!
Jan 19
Eva Libre
Jan 24
Eva Libre
"The figure of the wise old man can appear so plastically, not only in dreams but also in visionary meditation (or what we call “active imagination”), that, as is sometimes apparently the case in India, it takes over the role of a guru. The wise old man appears in dreams in the guise of a magician, doctor, priest, teacher, professor, grandfather, or any other person possessing authority.
The archetype of spirit in the shape of a man, hobgoblin, or animal always appears in a situation where insight, understanding, good advice, determination, planning, etc., are needed but cannot be mustered on one’s own resources. The archetype compensates this state of spiritual deficiency by contents designed to fill the gap."
Archetypes of the Collective Unconscious Paragraph 388
Jan 25
Nada Jung
Life isn’t handed to us like an opera libretto: It is an adventure into which we must throw ourselves. Failures cannot hold us back if we have fire in our hearts. We must allow ourselves to encounter life and God.
Pope Francis, Hope: The Autobiography
The rose he is holding is named "Pope John Paul II".
Apr 22
Eva Libre
“I would rather be whole than good.”
C.G Jung
Art: William Blake
Jun 3
Luna Arjuna
“The first half of life is devoted to forming a healthy ego, the second half is going inward and letting go of it.”
C. G. Jung
Art: "Maria"- Carl Strathmann
“Life really does begin at forty. Up until then, you are just doing research.”
"The first half of life is devoted to forming a healthy ego, the second half is going inward and letting go of it."
The time is a critical one, for it marks the beginning of the second half of life, when a metanoia, a mental transformation, not infrequently occurs.
(on being 36 yrs old)
Carl Gustav Jung, Symbols of Transformation (Collected Works 5)
"Younger people, who have not yet reached the middle of life (around the age of 35), can bear even the total loss of the anima without injury. The important thing at this stage is for a man to be a man. The growing youth must be able to free himself from the anima fascination of his mother." (p. 71)
"After the middle of life, however, permanent loss of the anima means a diminution of vitality, of flexibility, and of human kindness. The result, as a rule, is premature rigidity, crustiness, stereotypy, fanatical one-sidedness, obstinacy, pedantry, or else resignation, weariness, sloppiness, irresponsibility, and finally a childish ramollissement with a tendency to alcohol." (p. 71)
The distance from the heart to the head is sometimes 30 years, sometimes a whole lifetime :
"We say, “You know it in the head, but you don’t know it in the heart.” There is an extraordinary distance from the head to the heart, a distance of ten, twenty, thirty years, or a whole lifetime."
C.G. Jung, Seminars on Kundalini Yoga
Jun 28
Eva Libre
The celebrations of Carl Gustav Jung’s 150th birthday (happening all over the world this year) echo the lasting power of his ideas and perhaps the growing need for his psychology. Jung was one of the most fearless, original, and irreverent thinkers of the past two centuries. His psychology boldly challenges the dominant scientific and reductionist view of life by reintroducing the notions of soul and mystery into our understanding of the human experience. In a world increasingly shaped by materialism and hyper-technology, Jungian psychology stands as a small but steadfast island—a place of refuge for the curious, the contemplative, and for those called to deeper meaning.
– Luis Moris, PhD. Jungian analyst at ISAPZurich
Jul 30